Robby Soave and Christian Britschgi contend that Anthony Fauci has never offered a complete reckoning for the harm tied to COVID-19 lockdown measures—and they have no intention of forgiving him yet.
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In this edition, Soave and Britschgi revisit the COVID-19 period by examining the diary that Fauci, then the White House’s coronavirus adviser, has recently published along with his testimony before Congress. They dissect what the diary suggests about gain-of-function research, the implementation of lockdowns, and the origins of the virus. They argue that Fauci’s private outlook casts the pandemic response in an even more unsettling light when viewed in retrospect. The conversation then shifts to lighter—but still provocative—culture-war terrain, including how Ayn Rand is depicted in JD Vance’s latest book and Ross Douthat’s transition from The New York Times to 60 Minutes.
0:00—Our stance: forgiveness is not forthcoming for Fauci.
8:17—Did Fauci misrepresent gain-of-function research to Congress?
19:08—Fauci’s diary shows how he steered the lockdowns.
29:47—Reliving COVID-19 through Fauci’s perspective feels like a horror novel.
35:13—Pluribus was a lab leak!
52:33—Rand, our hero, is misrepresented in Vance’s new book.
1:12:04—Douthat leaves The New York Times for 60 Minutes.
1:15:56—Robby’s data center debate
